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GHOST IN THE WINDS spoiler discussion thread

A few people have asked for a spoiler discussion thread for GHOST IN THE WINDS, so here it is! Share your thoughts about GHOST IN THE WINDS below.

I’ll also mention some of my favorite scenes from the book.

MASSIVE SPOILERS FOLLOW!

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In no particular order, my favorite scenes.

1.) I liked Caina, Annarah, and Morgant’s scenes together, both in WINDS and PACTS. Annarah usually takes the side of Caina’s conscience, and Morgant the side of her ruthelessnes.

2.) Whenever Kylon and Mazyan teamed up. I always listened to some Two Steps From Hell for that part. I also liked how Kylon didn’t completely realize how much everyone in the rebel army respected him for beating Master Alchemist Rhataban in single combat. Rhataban had a towering (and mostly deserved) reputation, and Kylon beat him with half the rebel army looking on.

3.) Speaking of Mazyan, Sulaman’s masquerading as a poet was inspired by the old story of Harun al-Raschid wandering the streets in disguise to see to the welfare of his subjects. Harun did it out of choice. Sulaman out of necessity. When he told Caina in GHOST IN THE COWL that if it was within his power he would reward her, he was telling the truth.

4.) Several people emailed how creepy they found Callatas’s lust for Caina after the Elixir Rejuvenata, which pleased me, because I wrote that deliberately. I wanted to make Callatas even more unsettling than he already was, and that was a good way to do it.

5.) Speaking of Callatas, he was a fun villain to write over the series, because he was such a dynamic Big Bad, and he was so dynamic because he made several serious mistakes. Callatas was a very human villain, because he made a lot of errors and he shot himself in the foot from time to time. His biggest mistake was not realizing that Kharnaces had set a trap for him, but his second mistake was both mishandling and underestimating Cassander Nilas, which almost (literally) blew up in his face. I liked writing the scenes in GHOST IN THE PACT and GHOST IN THE WINDS where Callatas had to admit to himself (if no one else) the extent of the problems his arrogance had created for him.

Callatas screwed up, but he never, ever gave up, no matter how serious the setback.

Though when he screwed up, Kalgri was right there to point it out. Repeatedly. And at great length.

6.) Speaking of Cassander, he wasn’t in GHOST IN THE WINDS, but he was one of my favorite villains in the series. He basically shoved aside Callatas as Big Bad in GHOST IN THE SEAL and GHOST IN THE THRONE, and he almost won. His largest mistake was trusting Kalgri. He didn’t trust her very much, but even that little bit of trust was enough to bite him.

7.) Speaking of Kalgri, she was also a fun villain to write, because she was so horribly rational. Her enemies (and allies) liked to call her a madwoman, but both Cassander and Caina grasped the essential truth about her. The Red Huntress was sane to a frightening degree, and most of the time made her decisions based upon clear, remorseless logic. Kalgri didn’t care about anything except 1.) her own survival, and 2.) killing as many people as possible. Everything she did proceeded logically from those two objectives, and when she did make mistakes (like losing her temper and fighting Caina hand-to-hand at Silent Ash Temple instead of withdrawing) she learned from them and did not make the mistake again. Or when she almost murdered Damla’s sons for the amusement of it, only to refrain when she realized that killing them might put her at unacceptable risk.

What really made Kalgri dangerous was not the Voice, but her iron self-discipline and her unwavering patience.

Kalgri was almost the most clever person in the books, but unfortunately for her, Samnirdamnus was even cleverer.

8.) Kalgri’s final scene was influenced by Ungoliant from THE SILMARILLION. After I wrote GHOST IN THE RAZOR, a  perceptive reader pointed out that Grand Master Callatas and the Red Huntress had a relationship a lot like Morgoth and Ungoliant from Tolkien’s masterwork. So Kalgri’s final scene was inspired by the fate of Ungoliant from THE SILMARILLION, where in the final madness of her insatiable hunger, Ungoliant devours herself.

9.) Samnirdamnus’s long game to defeat Callatas and Kotuluk Iblis and free the Court of the Azure Sovereign. He had been playing the game for a very, very long time, and he had been waiting just as long for someone like Caina to come along, a mortal to whom he could entrust his power at the final critical moment.

And it all came together. For the stars will go out before a Knight of Wind and Air relents in his duty. Caina has been a spy for her entire adult life, but the length of time Samnirdamnus has been a spy can only be measured using chronological terms commonly employed in astronomy.

10.) I liked the final scene with Caina and the Padishah, when the Padishah orders Caina to execute him and save Istarinmul. That was probably the single most noble thing Nahas Tarshahzon did in his life, and he got his revenge on Callatas at the same time. To paraphrase the first Sherlock Holmes story, retribution, though slow in coming, had overtaken Callatas at last.

It was fun to finally write that scene, because the Padishah was first mentioned in GHOST IN THE STORM, and he’s been missing since GHOST IN THE SURGE or so. So it was neat to finally find out what happened to him.

11.) The return of Iramis. That was seriously a neat scene to write. Poor Annarah! She knew the truth the entire time, but she could never tell anyone, because if Callatas ever realized his mistake, he could rectify his mistake with ease and destroy Iramis in truth. As Morgant said, the best liar in GHOST EXILE was the most honest woman of them all.

12.) The end when Sulaman dismisses the charges against Caina and calls for witnesses to speak for her.

13) Finally, I really did like the final scene where Caina comes back and Kylon is waiting for her in the House of Agabyzus.

I admit I hadn’t decided if I was going to keep Caina and Kylon together right up until I actually wrote the end of the book. Originally I was going to have Kylon go back to New Kyre, since he would have thought it his duty. Yet when I wrote GHOST IN THE PACT, I realized that Kylon was still furious at the Surge over Thalastre, and he couldn’t let that go. Additionally, he had seen too much in Istarinmul, and while he had once accepted slavery as part of the natural order of mankind (as indeed almost all pagan societies did on Earth), he couldn’t tolerate it any more.

Additionally, killing Kylon or breaking him up with Caina would have been too similar to the ending of GHOST IN THE SURGE.

And that line in GHOST IN THE PACT when Caina promises to wait for him at the House of Agabyzus! According to the Kindle, that was the most highlighted line in GHOST IN THE PACT. That just begged for payoff. The Iron Laws of Storytelling demanded that Kylon ask Caina to marry him in the House of Agabyzus.

14.) One last thing. A few people have asked what the new GHOST NIGHT series will be about, and this is all I’ll say until I start writing it in mid-2017:

Laeria Scorneus Amalas was not an only child. Not even remotely, and her family would make a sorcery-using Mafia clan look like the Brady Bunch.

-JM

9 thoughts on “GHOST IN THE WINDS spoiler discussion thread

  • I might actually vote for (13) as my favorite scene.

    I know, that’s ridiculous – I generally don’t like romantic scenes and you’re a sword and sorcery kinda author not specializing in romance and this definitely isn’t a series that dwells on romantic crap, but perhaps because of that, I thought it was a wonderful scene and I’m oh-so-glad you didn’t leave Caina alone yet again.

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    • Jonathan Moeller

      It was a payoff, but I think it had to be earned first. Like, my rule of thumb is that characters must SUFFAH! before they are allowed to be happy. So the ending of GHOST IN THE WINDS wouldn’t have worked without the ending of GHOST IN THE SURGE, or how unhappy Caina was in COWL, MAZE, and HUNT.

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  • The only thing I didn’t really like in the book were the Kalgri POV scenes. I understand that you probably had to have them to make the book work, but she’s a little too 2D and cartoonish for my taste. Death, pain, and suffering, with a gibbering Voice inside her, over and over, and I found it already repetitive by half way through. All the other characters have a lot more depth, at least relative to how much they appeared, compared to the Huntress.

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    • Ruthie

      @Bret
      I would not say Kalgri was cartoonish or 2D, she was very smart in the way she played Caina, but somehow I was more scared of Sicarion as a character than Kalgri. 🙂 Sicarion was creepier somehow. But the mind games Kalgri played with Caina was the knives was a wise move on her part, that Sicarion would probably never had done in her place.

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    • Jonathan Moeller

      Kalgri herself would have thought that a compliment, actually. 🙂 She quite freely chose to be that way.

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  • Ruthie

    I loved 13) since I’ve been waiting for Kylon and Caina to get together since Ghost in the Storm. The Chapter “Ice Dance” was one of my favorites and told me that they’d be an interesting couple if they ever ended up with each other 🙂

    As much as I like Thalastre and Corvalis, to me they were too “perfect” for Kylon and Caina. With Corvalis, Caina’s happy ending would have been so easy to achieve – retire as a Nightfighter, become an informant of the Ghosts, while running a coffee house with the man you love. Corvalis had nothing to lose by being with Caina since he was born without a title or any inheritance. In a sense, he was “perfect” for Caina. In like manner, Thalastre was the perfect Nobleman’s wife. She was a good woman who wholeheartedly trusted Kylon, and would counsel and support him as he led his House and became an Archon. Kylon would indeed have had a simple and happy life (politics aside) if he grew old with Thalastre.

    But with Caina and Kylon, there is no knowing what will happen. There is less predictability and thus so many possibilities for their future together. They are alike in many ways – in their patriotism, loyalty, and honor, but they are also very different. And I guess I’d like to see how exactly will they navigate their relationship in the future. Their path is not as clear cut as Caina’s path was with Corvalis and Kylon’s with Thalastre. There are so many variables (as Nerina would put it) to consider. And whatever secrets Laeria and her family have would probably have an effect on their relationship (probably more so, than it would have affected Corvalis).
    In the same way, I can’t imagine Kylon just cutting his ties to New Kyre and his House so easily. Of course, he’d pick Caina no matter what (he just did that in the end of GITW), but what if New Kyre or House Kardamnos needs him. As a descendant of Rykon, a man who practically saved his people, I don’t believe Kylon’s part in New Kyre’s history is over just like that. The Surge has a particular interest in Kylon and I think it’s because he still has a major role to play for New Kyre.

    So I like the unpredictability their relationship has 🙂

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    • Jonathan Moeller

      Yes indeed. There is a lot of storytelling potential in the relationship of Caina and Kylon. So many possible directions!

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    • Mike Werner

      Thank you for expressing some of my same thoughts so well! Very well thought out. I am looking forward to the next series.

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  • Ruthie

    For 12.) Caina’s reward and recognition was well deserved. But I will miss Caina as a spy. Her anonymity was a nice thing for her to have. But as the Padishah’s newly adopted sister, I wonder what that means for her now and how will it have a bearing for her in the future. 🙂 It will be interesting to see Caina as “herself”, recognized in public without any disguises. And I still hope to see Caina return to the Empire soon – even as it is torn apart by war.

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